Plan is to keep it as originally designed, so unsprung. The motor and batteries will be housed where the original gas motor was, in the swing arm/axle assembly.Sound_Man wrote:Is that motor and batteries going to be sprung or unsprung weight? I'm looking forward to seeing this one get done.
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Most of the stuff I have bent so far has been designed and cut out by me, so usually have a corner, edge, or even a line of some sort to use as a reference. If I don't, I usually make a couple marks or draw lines to help with correct orientation. But there is always a least one speed square and machinist squares handy when I am using any of the brakes. Also keep manual and digital angle finders at the ready.Avenger wrote:That sucka is nice. How are you aligning your work piece? I'm holding up a square and it's getting annoying.
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Aaron wrote:Most of the stuff I have bent so far has been designed and cut out by me, so usually have a corner, edge, or even a line of some sort to use as a reference. If I don't, I usually make a couple marks or draw lines to help with correct orientation. But there is always a least one speed square and machinist squares handy when I am using any of the brakes. Also keep manual and digital angle finders at the ready.
Sounds familiar. I need to look around and see what's out there for a DIY back gauge.
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I need one of those too. Nice Video Aaron!
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Avenger wrote:Sounds familiar. I need to look around and see what's out there for a DIY back gauge.
I use my back/depth gauge when making repeatable bends. But otherwise takes too much time to set for one bend.
Thanks. This is my way a practicing. I would like to switch over to video for documenting my various builds instead of just photos and written text. But I am an idiot still when it comes to video. So figured there isn't a better way at getting better or learning something then to just try and do it. Was shot on a crappy cell phone without any extras like external mic. Kinda obvious since the audio is fairly quiet. I didn't know how to change the audio levels while editing, but think I figured that out. Was also shot in one take as I do not know the ins and outs of editing yet. So I only made 2 simple edits. One at the beginning and one at the end since I had to manually start and stop the recording. Hoping to get better so am willing to listen to constructive criticism if anyone has anything to offer.Avenger wrote: [video=youtube_share;Q4pqyn4XLdM]https://youtu.be/Q4pqyn4XLdM[/video]
I need one of those too. Nice Video Aaron!
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I am used to adjusting the volume for every YT video, but the sound on yours wasn't bad at all. Picture was very clear as well. Only suggestion would be to frame it a little tighter. All in all very well done.Aaron wrote:I use my back/depth gauge when making repeatable bends. But otherwise takes too much time to set for one bend.
Thanks. This is my way a practicing. I would like to switch over to video for documenting my various builds instead of just photos and written text. But I am an idiot still when it comes to video. So figured there isn't a better way at getting better or learning something then to just try and do it. Was shot on a crappy cell phone without any extras like external mic. Kinda obvious since the audio is fairly quiet. I didn't know how to change the audio levels while editing, but think I figured that out. Was also shot in one take as I do not know the ins and outs of editing yet. So I only made 2 simple edits. One at the beginning and one at the end since I had to manually start and stop the recording. Hoping to get better so am willing to listen to constructive criticism if anyone has anything to offer.
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Not an expert on financing. What does the change in the contract do for the RV dealer? Best I can see is the total value isnt changed, just how many payments are made with the remaining dumped into a balloon. Am I missing something? Absolutely the RV place looks clearly in the wrong, but I am struggling to understand the reason for risking what they did.
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Guessing that they get the RV back if the people default on the loan. And with the balloon payment being for more than half of the entire loan, and people being unprepared to make rhat large of a payment, they think most will default.Clod Hopper wrote:Not an expert on financing. What does the change in the contract do for the RV dealer? Best I can see is the total value isnt changed, juhow many payments are made with the remaining dumped into a balloon. Am I missing something? Absolutely the RV place looks clearly in the wrong, but I am struggling to understand the reason for risking what they did.
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That is a 10 year game on the return. How much will that stupid RV be worth then? Not based on stupid inflation valuations today, but back when it was sold? Crazy.Aaron wrote:Guessing that they get the RV back if the people default on the loan. And with the balloon payment being for more than half of the entire loan, and people being unprepared to make rhat large of a payment, they think most will default.
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After talking with someone much smarter than myself, not hard I know, I came to realize that the dealership gets paid per transaction and doesn't care about the loan end. Even "in house" financing isn't really done "in house". Usually the deal is stuck "in house" using 3rd party money. Meaning the dealership is paid once the handoff is complete. Also that most financiers wouldn't extend a 20 year loan on kind of a product. So the dealership cons people into "affording" something by paying for it over 20 years instead of the accepted 10 year loans. Then once the paperwork is signed, they change it to state, 10 year, plus a balloon payment. Dealer made their money with the sale, and passing the problem down the road.Clod Hopper wrote:That is a 10 year game on the return. How much will that stupid RV be worth then? Not based on stupid inflation valuations today, but back when it was sold? Crazy.
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That makes more sense. Thanks!!Aaron wrote:After talking with someone much smarter than myself, not hard I know, I came to realize that the dealership gets paid per transaction and doesn't care about the loan end. Even "in house" financing isn't really done "in house". Usually the deal is stuck "in house" using 3rd party money. Meaning the dealership is paid once the handoff is complete. Also that most financiers wouldn't extend a 20 year loan on kind of a product. So the dealership cons people into "affording" something by paying for it over 20 years instead of the accepted 10 year loans. Then once the paperwork is signed, they change it to state, 10 year, plus a balloon payment. Dealer made their money with the sale, and passing the problem down the road.
At least I hope I am explaining that correctly.
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Clod Hopper wrote:That is a 10 year game on the return. How much will that stupid RV be worth then? Not based on stupid inflation valuations today, but back when it was sold? Crazy.
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He does a good job of warning people to review sales documents closely and keep the copy of documents from the day of sale. Blows my mind that people wouldnt do this as normal practice.
He avoided the subject of who benefits from the "error" and presenting an idea of how they benefit. I guess that is the one part I was most interested the hear about. But I think you hit it well earlier that the bank wouldnt take a 20 year loan, so the RV dealer was fishing people in on a low payment and doctoring documents to the bank. I still shake my head in amazement that they thought it would work and no one would find out.
I really see blame/responsibility in three directions on this, the dealer, the bank and the purchaser. Most definitely the RV dealer bears the brunt of the situation. Shady M-effers for sure. But the bank has a good share of responsibility in this. He mentioned that the loan info is transmitted electronically to the bank, but what exactly does that mean? A pdf of the sale doc with the smudge or some online login system where the RV dealer just types in the terms? I would guess it is a PDF (or similar) otherwise why even bother "smudging" the form? So the bank gets the doctored form, none of the numbers work out right and they fund the loan anyway. I might see that on one or two, but there is a string of loans all doctored the same exact way and the bank didnt catch that? I expect the bank was complicit and will be pulled into the lawsuits, deservedly so. And blame lies with the buyer who didnt do their part to verify the loan terms. I am not aware of a third party loan that doesnt send the final loan docs to the owner, at which time you compare to the docs from day of sale and have an opportunity at that time to dispute errors or misunderstandings. Maybe I am out of touch on this. Not doing the cross check and claiming "rube" status later is no excuse, at least not for me. These buyers will probably end up after the lawsuit with a free RV and more cash to boot, winning the lottery by claiming "poor me, I so ignorant, they took advantage".
He avoided the subject of who benefits from the "error" and presenting an idea of how they benefit. I guess that is the one part I was most interested the hear about. But I think you hit it well earlier that the bank wouldnt take a 20 year loan, so the RV dealer was fishing people in on a low payment and doctoring documents to the bank. I still shake my head in amazement that they thought it would work and no one would find out.
I really see blame/responsibility in three directions on this, the dealer, the bank and the purchaser. Most definitely the RV dealer bears the brunt of the situation. Shady M-effers for sure. But the bank has a good share of responsibility in this. He mentioned that the loan info is transmitted electronically to the bank, but what exactly does that mean? A pdf of the sale doc with the smudge or some online login system where the RV dealer just types in the terms? I would guess it is a PDF (or similar) otherwise why even bother "smudging" the form? So the bank gets the doctored form, none of the numbers work out right and they fund the loan anyway. I might see that on one or two, but there is a string of loans all doctored the same exact way and the bank didnt catch that? I expect the bank was complicit and will be pulled into the lawsuits, deservedly so. And blame lies with the buyer who didnt do their part to verify the loan terms. I am not aware of a third party loan that doesnt send the final loan docs to the owner, at which time you compare to the docs from day of sale and have an opportunity at that time to dispute errors or misunderstandings. Maybe I am out of touch on this. Not doing the cross check and claiming "rube" status later is no excuse, at least not for me. These buyers will probably end up after the lawsuit with a free RV and more cash to boot, winning the lottery by claiming "poor me, I so ignorant, they took advantage".
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