Stabilizing braces are now a NFA item...

Clod Hopper · Post by **Clod Hopper** » Sun Jun 04, 2023 7:18 pm

1BGDOG wrote:You probably don't own NFA items
You probably don't own items with a brace
So you probably have no understanding of this anyways LOL
But please post more memes you stole from, let me check... aww yes. Irate LOL

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Sun Jun 04, 2023 8:03 pm

Compliance with the new "rule" according to the ATF is at .6% going off of their estimates of how many AR pistols with braces there are in the USA. Of course, after heat started coming at them about making so many law abiding citizens felons, their estimates on how many exist are WAY lower than everyone else who testified at the House Judiciary hearing....like 20ish million less so the actual compliance number is likely even way lower than .6%.

Most people, like me went with an option other than volunteering information and thereby giving up freedoms of using, selling, or transporting a legal firearm.

What really sucks is out of the possible 30 to 40 million people who own something that this affects, there is no telling how many millions of people who legally bought one of these guns who aren't tuned into the BS that is going on and dont have any idea that they are felons in waiting.

I am confident that the ATF will lose this one just like they lost the bump stock one. I am kind of surprised that it has made it this far but it will be done away with. There are already three temporary injunctions against it but they only cover members of the gun groups who filed the suits as well as government employees of Texas.

None of the gun groups who have fought this and won include the NRA who have done nothing so if you are an NRA member, i suggest you cancel your membership with them and go with the GOA aka gun owners of America or one of the other groups who actually fight for our 2a rights.

1BGDOG · Post by **1BGDOG** » Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:56 pm

There is no fight, there is an adult ignoring a petulant child who needs my attention

Big Dog! Big Dog! I need your approval!!
I am a little Creep who thinks they have an understanding of yet another subject where they have no knowledge of it.

Much like this, but Donnie is cool

[video=youtube;AS8X2Qp_6aA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AS8X2Qp_6aA[/video]

DaleD wrote:God I love a good cat fight.....

Clod Hopper · Post by **Clod Hopper** » Wed Jun 07, 2023 7:29 am

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Wed Jun 07, 2023 9:44 am

In news actually related to the thread, it was just released that House Joint Resolution 44 stating that the ATF is overstepped their bounds with the brace rule has been scheduled for a roll call vote next Tuesday and they easily have the votes to pass it.

One step at a time but the rule will not stand.

Clod Hopper · Post by **Clod Hopper** » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:31 am

1BGDOG · Post by **1BGDOG** » Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:16 pm

My friend
You would NOT die over this LOL
David Koresh was more of a man...
And again I guarantee you never owned a brace not understand the NFA "game"
Prove me wrong...

Hey Creep
Why you here?
No one cares about what you say...

Clod Hopper wrote:

Clod Hopper · Post by **Clod Hopper** » Fri Jun 09, 2023 7:24 am

1BGDOG · Post by **1BGDOG** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 8:14 pm

Makes sense you would post this....
A little bit about SKINNER!

Although Skinner likes to maintain the image of a strict disciplinarian, he is often weak-willed and nervous and has a very unhealthy dependence on his mother, who still lives with him, constantly torments him and nicknames him "Spanky"

Clod Hopper wrote:

Clod Hopper · Post by **Clod Hopper** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:12 am

1BGDOG wrote:

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:25 pm

So here we go. As i mentioned earlier would happen, HJ Res 44 which would dismantle the stupid and unconstitutional pistol brace law was voted on today. It won 219 to 210 with two Rs going against the constitution and two Ds voting to uphold the constitution.

It now goes to the Senate where it has a slim but possible chance to pass so Biden can veto it which he aka his handlers have already vowed to do.

A guy might question why go through all of this when you know Biden is going to veto it. Well, there are a couple of reasons actually. To begin with, this resolution has not pork in it so meely mouthed politicians cant claim that well, i would have voted for it but i didnt agree with this or that. Its a single topic resolution that will let us know who up there is willing to do the job of defending the constitution which they all took the oath to do and which ones need to be gone.

The other thing is, three suits against the stupid ATF rule have already been won in courts and injunctions granted against the rule but so far, they are only applying to the plaintiffs in each suit which mainly consists of gun groups.

The biggest suit which has half of the states of the United States as a plaintiff along with some other groups has not been ruled on yet. The hope is that the Judge in this case has just been waiting for this day so they could include todays vote in their ruling along with the Bruin case which should be enough in itself but todays vote will give the decision more backbone and they will go ahead and give a nationwide injunction against the illegal ATF activity.

The fight is not won but its heading the right direction.

I will be calling and thanking the two Ds who chose to do what they were sworn to by upholding the constitution. I will be posting their names as well as the names of the Rs who voted against it as well as the few Rs who didnt vote at all. I recommend that everyone reading this call all of them who crossed party lines and thank the dems and explain that you will do anything you can do to get the Rs out of office.

Its quick and easy. Phone number to the switchboard is 202-224-3121

A nice lady will answer the phone and all you have to do is ask for whoevers office. Obviously, you will end up talking to an intern or whatever but they do pass messages on. Dont be rude. Just explain to them your position.

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:36 pm

Here are the Ds who voted for who should be thanked as well as the Rs who voted against who need criticized.

Also, the few Rs who didnt even vote. Although it is the same as voting no, i dont want to bash them without knowing why they didn't vote. Who knows. They could have been gone with a family emergency or they could just be spineless swamp creatures that need flushed out of the system.

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creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 7:40 pm

So here we go. As i mentioned earlier would happen, HJ Res 44 which would dismantle the stupid and unconstitutional pistol brace law was voted on today. It won 219 to 210 with two Rs going against the constitution and two Ds voting to uphold the constitution.

It now goes to the Senate where it has a slim but possible chance to pass so Biden can veto it which he aka his handlers have already vowed to do.

A guy might question why go through all of this when you know Biden is going to veto it. Well, there are a couple of reasons actually. To begin with, this resolution has not pork in it so meely mouthed politicians cant claim that well, i would have voted for it but i didnt agree with this or that. Its a single topic resolution that will let us know who up there is willing to do the job of defending the constitution which they all took the oath to do and which ones need to be gone.

The other thing is, three suits against the stupid ATF rule have already been won in courts and injunctions granted against the rule but so far, they are only applying to the plaintiffs in each suit which mainly consists of gun groups.

The biggest suit which has half of the states of the United States as a plaintiff along with some other groups has not been ruled on yet. The hope is that the Judge in this case has just been waiting for this day so they could include todays vote in their ruling along with the Bruin case which should be enough in itself but todays vote will give the decision more backbone and they will go ahead and give a nationwide injunction against the illegal ATF activity.

The fight is not won but its heading the right direction.

I will be calling and thanking the two Ds who chose to do what they were sworn to by upholding the constitution. I will be posting their names as well as the names of the Rs who voted against it as well as the few Rs who didnt vote at all. I recommend that everyone reading this call all of them who crossed party lines and thank the dems and explain that you will do anything you can do to get the Rs out of office.

Its quick and easy. Phone number to the switchboard is 202-224-3121

A nice lady will answer the phone and all you have to do is ask for whoevers office. Obviously, you will end up talking to an intern or whatever but they do pass messages on. Dont be rude. Just explain to them your position.

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:32 am

There have been 61 views to this thread since my last post. Some of you lurkers should chime in.

Clod Hopper · Post by **Clod Hopper** » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:40 am

creepycrawler wrote:There have been 61 views to this thread since my last post. Some of you lurkers should chime in.

I have no need to advertize my possessions, regardless of what they might be, on the interwebz. I do stand in the corner of avoiding contact with the govt where ever possible, rarely does much good come from it. If I did have something that was legal at one time, but was later determined to be illegal, I am not sure I would do more than simply keep my mouth shut about it. It can go one of two ways, either .gov gets its peepee slapped with a reversal, or this is just the start of rapid disarming of citizens. If the latter one, then it is time to hold onto your weapons as they may be needed in the near future. I dunno what "getting off the porch" looks like, but it may start with simply ignoring these kind of laws. We will see.

Rex Ashton · Post by **Rex Ashton** » Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:56 am

creepycrawler wrote:There have been 61 views to this thread since my last post. Some of you lurkers should chime in.

I view it to diminish the bold letters on my screen indicating it has not been read.

I also choose to be private about things and as Clod said "not advertise" anything.

When I did chime in, it was simply because Matt was (and continues) being a <you fill in the word>

I click it to make the unread bold go away

tacotoy · Post by **tacotoy** » Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:19 am

Rex Ashton wrote:I view it to diminish the bold letters on my screen indicating it has not been read.

I also choose to be private about things and as Clod said "not advertise" anything.

When I did chime in, it was simply because Matt was (and continues) being a <you fill in the word>

I click it to make the unread bold go away

same here, though i do enjoy all the memes and updates on what is going on. sadly this doesn't impact me since i lost everything in the last boating accident

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:07 am

Clod Hopper wrote:I have no need to advertize my possessions, regardless of what they might be, on the interwebz. I do stand in the corner of avoiding contact with the govt where ever possible, rarely does much good come from it. If I did have something that was legal at one time, but was later determined to be illegal, I am not sure I would do more than simply keep my mouth shut about it. It can go one of two ways, either .gov gets its peepee slapped with a reversal, or this is just the start of rapid disarming of citizens. If the latter one, then it is time to hold onto your weapons as they may be needed in the near future. I dunno what "getting off the porch" looks like, but it may start with simply ignoring these kind of laws. We will see.

You will notice that there has only been one person post in here bragging about what they may or may not have. I am simply a concerned citizen trying to keep others updated on whats going on.

Clod Hopper · Post by **Clod Hopper** » Thu Jun 15, 2023 11:22 am

creepycrawler wrote:You will notice that there has only been one person post in here bragging about what they may or may not have. I am simply a concerned citizen trying to keep others updated on whats going on.

Props to you and your efforts. You have brought intel to the discussion. If you are so inclined, please continue.

Ignore doggy's taunts.

1BGDOG · Post by **1BGDOG** » Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:36 pm

I saw your quote of Lil Creep's post. My eyes burned from how low IQ it was.
I am not bragging, what I have, is something he lacks.... knowledge

And other REALLY cool stuff he doesn't own, because he doesn't understand this area/process at all. It isn't hard to own a SBR, it just takes knowledge.
Sorry you think that what he said is "intel" it is in fact ignorance. And if you believe it, I am so sorry.

And the truth is seen as "taunts" now?

#triggered
#snowflake

Clod I await your next crappy meme from 10 years ago from Irate!!!

Clod Hopper wrote:Props to you and your efforts. You have brought intel to the discussion. If you are so inclined, please continue.

Ignore doggy's taunts.

1BGDOG · Post by **1BGDOG** » Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:40 pm

I am sorry you think I am being an <truthful dude>. It is disheartening that you think I am being mean.
But that is what you take from that, again Lil Creep, probably hasn't brought ANYTHING of value to this.
And you know this to be true...

Rex Ashton wrote:I view it to diminish the bold letters on my screen indicating it has not been read.

I also choose to be private about things and as Clod said "not advertise" anything.

When I did chime in, it was simply because Matt was (and continues) being a <you fill in the word>

I click it to make the unread bold go away

The good ol boating accident... I remember Pirate in the early 2000's too...

#tinfoiltime

tacotoy wrote:same here, though i do enjoy all the memes and updates on what is going on. sadly this doesn't impact me since i lost everything in the last boating accident

Clod Hopper · Post by **Clod Hopper** » Fri Jun 16, 2023 7:41 am

1BGDOG wrote:Clod I await your next crappy meme from 10 years ago from Irate!!!

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 5:36 am

Of course it isn't "hard to own an SBR" or any other NFA item. Why would the ATF make it hard for you to give them all of your information to register things with them so they can restrict what you do with them and or know you have them in case they want to come take them from you.

DaleD · Post by **DaleD** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:17 am

1BGDOG wrote: Lil Creep, probably hasn't brought ANYTHING of value to this.
And you know this to be true...

Lil Creep (As you call him) has brought more info too this topic in this thread then you have..

You just come in and scream "I can't see him he is on my ignore list"

ni0h · Post by **ni0h** » Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:22 pm

On this topic - having to get our lowers serialized - anybody got a line on this? I'm unhappy about it philosophically and financially. This sounds like since we have to go take action as ourselves with the item and associating it with a registered serial#, these guns will become fully registered - they know where to go to confisticate. I might just buy a commercially-made lower through the channel less-controlled by the sovreign ruling province of Denver-Boulder.

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Tue Jun 20, 2023 7:19 pm

ni0h wrote:On this topic - having to get our lowers serialized - anybody got a line on this? I'm unhappy about it philosophically and financially. This sounds like since we have to go take action as ourselves with the item and associating it with a registered serial#, these guns will become fully registered - they know where to go to confisticate. I might just buy a commercially-made lower through the channel less-controlled by the sovreign ruling province of Denver-Boulder.

Im not sure i understand what you are asking. Ive not heard of having to serialize a lower. Maybe something the .gov is wanting on homemade guns or is this just a Denver and or Colorado thing?

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Wed Jun 21, 2023 11:37 am

It sounds like House bill 44 which passed the House a couple weeks ago will probably get a vote in the Senate this week. It probably won't pass the Senate but it does have a chance to so we will just have to see.

Either way, we will get to see what Senators actually support the Constitution and which ones dont.

ni0h · Post by **ni0h** » Thu Jun 22, 2023 6:08 am

creepycrawler wrote:Im not sure i understand what you are asking. Ive not heard of having to serialize a lower. Maybe something the .gov is wanting on homemade guns or is this just a Denver and or Colorado thing?

The newspaper implied that the bill to outlaw "ghost guns" passed and we had to either dispose of them or get them serialized. I presume serialization under this regime would entail the serial#, specification, and owner identification going into a state database. I've no issue with traceability. I'd stamp my lower with my SSN and callsign if I had the stamping punches. It's traceability in the other direction I object to.

From the replies, though, I take it it hasn't passed all the way yet.

BlazerZR2 · Post by **BlazerZR2** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 2:19 pm

ni0h wrote:The newspaper implied that the bill to outlaw "ghost guns" passed and we had to either dispose of them or get them serialized. I presume serialization under this regime would entail the serial#, specification, and owner identification going into a state database. I've no issue with traceability. I'd stamp my lower with my SSN and callsign if I had the stamping punches. It's traceability in the other direction I object to.

From the replies, though, I take it it hasn't passed all the way yet.

It did pass and was signed by Polis. It is technically in effect now but included a grace period until the 1st of the year to come into compliance.

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb23-279

ni0h · Post by **ni0h** » Mon Jun 26, 2023 9:55 pm

BlazerZR2 wrote:It did pass and was signed by Polis. It is technically in effect now but included a grace period until the 1st of the year to come into compliance.

https://leg.colorado.gov/bills/sb23-279

Thanks.
So, anybody else have one of those terrifying "ghost guns" they've got to get serialized?

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:30 pm

ni0h wrote:Thanks.
So, anybody else have one of those terrifying "ghost guns" they've got to get serialized?

I guess thats why i didnt know what you were talking about because it was a Colorado thing. I left Colorado for a few reasons not least of which was the gun laws the at the time gov chickenfawker passed and now you have your present gov poleintheassbecauseilikeit passing more of the same crap.

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Thu Jun 29, 2023 4:58 pm

The 5th Circuit heard the FPC case against the ATF's illegal rule against pistol braces today. One judge is flat out a gun hater but everyone else pretty much doesn't think the rule should stand and one Judge even said that he thinks that there should be a nationwide injunction against the rule.

One thing that was brought up that i am glad of because ive been thinking it from the beginning is how stupid the ATFs reason for banning pistol braces is. They claim that an AR pistol is more concealable. Ok....idiots. if it has a brace on it, it will be bigger and less concealable so if that is your reason, maybe you should require AR pistols to have braces instead of the other way around.

Senator John Kennedy summed it up pretty well the other day at the end of his statement during a committee meeting about the brace law when he said something to the effect of, its things like this who have lots of Americans wondering how so many governmental officials in Washington DC made it through the birth canal.

Anyway, who knows what decision will come out of this suit but hopefully it will be good and there are still several other suits to be heard in different courts. The wheels of justice turn slowly.

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Sat Jul 01, 2023 11:32 am

This is pretty sweet. Although it doesn't directly impact the pistol brace rule, it could easily tie into it as Judges in all of the pistol brace law suits look for precedent in ruling on the cases.

Yesterday, a federal Judge absolutely destroyed the ATF on their frame and receiver rule. He didn't even go for a temporary injunction, he completely vacated the rule saying it was beyond the ATFs scope of power.

Pretty awesome that so many things are being thrown back at the ATF and their illegal activities. You can see and hear the judges scathing decision in this short video.

https://youtu.be/pMjw221ixpA

I dont know when the same will happen to the pistol brace rule but i am still confident that it will.

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Wed Jul 05, 2023 4:42 am

The NRA has finally joined in the mix and filed a suit againt the ATF and the ATF Director on Monday. They have been putting money torward one of the big suits that haven't been ruled on yet by lots of states but this is the first time they have put their name on one regarding the pistol brace rule.

1BGDOG · Post by **1BGDOG** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:08 am

First amnesty brace approved.

1BGDOG · Post by **1BGDOG** » Thu Jul 20, 2023 4:09 pm

Another amnesty stamp approved!
One more.

ni0h · Post by **ni0h** » Fri Jul 21, 2023 10:32 am

creepycrawler wrote:I guess thats why i didnt know what you were talking about because it was a Colorado thing. I left Colorado for a few reasons not least of which was the gun laws the at the time gov chickenfawker passed and now you have your present gov poleintheassbecauseilikeit passing more of the same crap.

Indeed. He's moderated somewhat - just biding his time - but there was a strong and growing sentiment across most of the state (area, not population) toward letting AurEnvDer just go ahead and do anything it wants, in its own state. That's one thing the communists hate more than almost anything - escaping. California's trying to fine people for voting with their feet. Leaving with our land would bring next-level panic.

creepycrawler · Post by **creepycrawler** » Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:47 pm

The ATF says that less than 2% of the poeple who may or may not own an AR pistol complied by volunteering all of their personal information and gave up their rights as far as where they can transport said AR or wbo they can sell it to etc. Hey, at least they didnt charge you the normal $200 tax stamp!

A national gun registery is illegal. Surely there is nobody here stupid enough to fall for the "free" registration that comes with restrictions on what you can do with a gun.

I cant even imagine being that big of a dumbass...

ni0h · Post by **ni0h** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:42 pm

creepycrawler wrote:The ATF says that less than 2% of the poeple who may or may not own an AR pistol complied by volunteering all of their personal information and gave up their rights as far as where they can transport said AR or wbo they can sell it to etc. Hey, at least they didnt charge you the normal $200 tax stamp!

A national gun registery is illegal. Surely there is nobody here stupid enough to fall for the "free" registration that comes with restrictions on what you can do with a gun.

I cant even imagine being that big of a dumbass...

Sounds like the homemade lower thing in CO - except said registration isn't even free.

1BGDOG · Post by **1BGDOG** » Sat Jul 29, 2023 12:58 pm

Final stamp approved and no more lame braces